| time | login | message |
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| 07-09-29 00:08 | prophile | evolutionary process |
| 07-09-29 00:08 | boghog | gfhghgfhfg, because I'm just doing it for educational purposes |
| 07-09-29 00:08 | prophile | some quite successful games evolved like that |
| 07-09-29 00:08 | prophile | www.introversion.co.uk cough cough |
| 07-09-29 00:09 | gfhghgfhfg | Wargames rip-off. |
| 07-09-29 00:09 | prophile | it's hardly a ripoff |
| 07-09-29 00:09 | gfhghgfhfg | I wonder if they used OpenGL to create those effects for that movie. |
| 07-09-29 00:09 | prophile | wargames is what we call a "film" |
| 07-09-29 00:09 | psykonaut | yeah but it doesn't always say "the only winning move is not to play" xD |
| 07-09-29 00:09 | prophile | defcon is what we call a "game" |
| 07-09-29 00:09 | prophile | pure awesome game too |
| 07-09-29 00:10 | boghog | I've never played it |
| 07-09-29 00:10 | prophile | i got a free copy |
| 07-09-29 00:10 | boghog | im not even really much into games these days |
| 07-09-29 00:10 | boghog | though I did play some halo3 last night with my bro \o/ |
| 07-09-29 00:10 | prophile | i'm not really into halo |
| 07-09-29 00:10 | prophile | i mean, it's awesome |
| 07-09-29 00:10 | prophile | but i don't like xbox controls/ |
| 07-09-29 00:11 | boghog | yeah me neither, but my bro told me it has co-op, so I had to check it out |
| 07-09-29 00:11 | boghog | yeah thats exactly why I dont own any consoles myself |
| 07-09-29 00:11 | boghog | shitty controls =/ |
| 07-09-29 00:11 | prophile | I play the original halo a bit |
| 07-09-29 00:11 | hibread | dont just single out xbox controls |
| 07-09-29 00:11 | prophile | not on a console though |
| 07-09-29 00:11 | gfhghgfhfg | Only an idiot would say that an analogue stick is a bad controller. |
| 07-09-29 00:11 | Madsy | Defcon has some great features -) |
| 07-09-29 00:11 | prophile | i singled out xbox cause that's what halo's on |
| 07-09-29 00:11 | prophile | gfhghgfhfg i'd take a mouse and keyboard any day |
| 07-09-29 00:11 | Madsy | Like the panic-button to minimize the game |
| 07-09-29 00:11 | prophile | indeed |
| 07-09-29 00:11 | boghog | I'm not saying it's bad |
| 07-09-29 00:11 | Madsy | "work mode" |
| 07-09-29 00:12 | boghog | it fucking sucks ! |
| 07-09-29 00:12 | prophile | boghog what does? (i'm lost!) |
| 07-09-29 00:12 | prophile | oh |
| 07-09-29 00:12 | prophile | right |
| 07-09-29 00:12 | prophile | Madsy "maybe you can lose the least" |
| 07-09-29 00:12 | boghog | heh |
| 07-09-29 00:12 | gfhghgfhfg | Hmmmmmmmmmmm... |
| 07-09-29 00:13 | gfhghgfhfg | Something I do not get about OpenGL is what the coordinates you specify really mean. I mean... I wanna make a car-sized rectangle. I specify some values. What are they relative to? |
| 07-09-29 00:13 | Madsy | Speaking of which, I just finished watching Crimson Tide |
| 07-09-29 00:13 | Madsy | gfhghgfhfg The units? Whatever you like. |
| 07-09-29 00:13 | psykonaut | an opensource clone of defcon would be awesome |
| 07-09-29 00:14 | Madsy | gfhghgfhfg If you think twice about it, it makes sense. |
| 07-09-29 00:14 | boghog | hrm, defcon has a linux version |
| 07-09-29 00:14 | Madsy | Everything is relative. So OpenGL units can be whatever you choose. |
| 07-09-29 00:14 | boghog | and I do have some money that needs to be spent |
| 07-09-29 00:15 | gfhghgfhfg | Dammit. I need a proper example program which is not showing off some fancy effect, but which shows some sort of real-life thing such as a wireframe room in which you can walk around FPS-like. |
| 07-09-29 00:15 | Madsy | I want to make a 1337 FPS!!111cos(0) |
| 07-09-29 00:15 | boghog | heh |
| 07-09-29 00:15 | Madsy | Don't be in a hurry. |
| 07-09-29 00:16 | psykonaut | hmm dont you need a credit card or paypal to order defcon? |
| 07-09-29 00:16 | boghog | im about to find out |
| 07-09-29 00:16 | prophile | psykonaut you can buy it in shops too |
| 07-09-29 00:16 | psykonaut | hmm |
| 07-09-29 00:16 | gfhghgfhfg | ... |
| 07-09-29 00:16 | gfhghgfhfg | Did I say that? |
| 07-09-29 00:16 | prophile | Madsy he only asked for a fairly sensible example |
| 07-09-29 00:16 | boghog | psykonaut, yeah CC or paypal |
| 07-09-29 00:16 | prophile | Madsy don't jump on people! |
| 07-09-29 00:17 | psykonaut | ACTION wonders when he was last in a shop which sells computer games |
| 07-09-29 00:17 | Madsy | prophile I'll stop jumping at people, when people stop being in a hurry. |
| 07-09-29 00:17 | feelgood_ICBM | in any case FS in Apple's QuickTime Player.app is no longer something you have to pay for |
| 07-09-29 00:17 | gfhghgfhfg | I didn?t say "Halo 3", but "wireframe[ cube] room". |
| 07-09-29 00:17 | Madsy | Only wanting to achieve their goal. |
| 07-09-29 00:17 | boghog | yeah I was like that Madsy |
| 07-09-29 00:17 | gfhghgfhfg | I need more example programs than the ones in GLFW. |
| 07-09-29 00:18 | boghog | but I took a step back, and am learning the maths now |
| 07-09-29 00:18 | gfhghgfhfg | They only show off effects. |
| 07-09-29 00:18 | prophile | gfhghgfhfg I hate to say it, but have you tried NeHe? |
| 07-09-29 00:18 | gfhghgfhfg | I did check out NeHe. Got scared away... |
| 07-09-29 00:18 | gfhghgfhfg | But maybe I should re-check it... |
| 07-09-29 00:18 | Madsy | Wow. You must be the first -) |
| 07-09-29 00:18 | gfhghgfhfg | The first to what? |
| 07-09-29 00:18 | boghog | scared me away too p at the time |
| 07-09-29 00:18 | Madsy | To actually avoid NeHe without being told. |
| 07-09-29 00:19 | boghog | I just started reading the opengl programming guide that's online |
| 07-09-29 00:19 | gfhghgfhfg | Well, it looked messy like hell. |
| 07-09-29 00:19 | prophile | NeHe's crap, but it's probably the best there is |
| 07-09-29 00:19 | Madsy | Heh. |
| 07-09-29 00:19 | prophile | I have "OpenGL tutorials" on my to-do list though |
| 07-09-29 00:19 | Madsy | You have lighthouse3d.com |
| 07-09-29 00:19 | prophile | SO STAY TUNED |
| 07-09-29 00:19 | prophile | heh |
| 07-09-29 00:19 | boghog | yay prophile |
| 07-09-29 00:19 | Madsy | As well as ultimategameprogramming.com |
| 07-09-29 00:19 | prophile | I learned OpenGL from Uplink |
| 07-09-29 00:19 | prophile | bad mistake |
| 07-09-29 00:20 | feelgood_ICBM | look into the OpenGL Superbible |
| 07-09-29 00:20 | gfhghgfhfg | Recommentation overload. |
| 07-09-29 00:20 | feelgood_ICBM | its a fairly decent text |
| 07-09-29 00:21 | feelgood_ICBM | the code for that text would be available here http//www.starstonesoftware.com/OpenGL/ |
| 07-09-29 00:21 | Madsy | Let me ask a question for once. What's up with people and example code? |
| 07-09-29 00:22 | gfhghgfhfg | Examples are much better than boring theory. |
| 07-09-29 00:22 | Madsy | Do people actually learn faster by looking at fairly limited source, or do folks just blatantly copy code, and make applications by lego-building? |
| 07-09-29 00:22 | gfhghgfhfg | I don't wanna read about every obscure part of OpenGL until I need them. |
| 07-09-29 00:22 | feelgood_ICBM | Madsy the latter of course |
| 07-09-29 00:22 | gfhghgfhfg | I think many people copy without understanding, yes... |
| 07-09-29 00:23 | Madsy | If you think OpenGL is just boring theory, you won't come to far. |
| 07-09-29 00:23 | Madsy | That theory is needed in the end anyway. |
| 07-09-29 00:23 | feelgood_ICBM | which is why sooooooo many of the projects etc. one sees online are so utterly fucked from a design perspective |
| 07-09-29 00:24 | Madsy | I use a good portion of example code myself. But that is in addition to look at the specs. |
| 07-09-29 00:24 | feelgood_ICBM | I mean shit I'd guess that less than one tenth of one percent of the people who come into this channel looking for help are actually willing to truly "learn" anything |
| 07-09-29 00:25 | Madsy | It's fine for figuring out the order of different calls, or implicit info which isn't exactly written in the specs. |
| 07-09-29 00:25 | Madsy | But it is no way a replacement. |
| 07-09-29 00:25 | Madsy | in no way* |
| 07-09-29 00:25 | feelgood_ICBM | OTOH all of those people are absolutely thrilled to copy ad infinitum from some website |
| 07-09-29 00:25 | gfhghgfhfg | Why are they coding at all? |
| 07-09-29 00:26 | gfhghgfhfg | For some homework? |
| 07-09-29 00:26 | feelgood_ICBM | "I don't know" and "I don't care" would be my own personal answers to those questions ) |
| 07-09-29 00:26 | feelgood_ICBM | as long as they aren't involved w/ anything I'm working on I honestly couldn't care less P |
| 07-09-29 00:27 | Madsy | feelgood_ICBM http//worsethanfailure.com/Articles/Diary-of-a-ThirdClass-Programmer.aspx |
| 07-09-29 00:27 | Madsy | That was a good one. |
| 07-09-29 00:27 | feelgood_ICBM | haha awesome |
| 07-09-29 00:28 | Madsy | The cannon fodder chick |
| 07-09-29 00:28 | feelgood_ICBM | LOL |
| 07-09-29 00:29 | Madsy | While at work. Wow.. that must be so.. unproductive. |
| 07-09-29 00:29 | Madsy | I would really get a guilty concience if I had nothing to do at work. |
| 07-09-29 00:30 | Madsy | Or too unqualified to do my work properly. |
| 07-09-29 00:30 | boghog | I don't like copy pasting code at all |
| 07-09-29 00:30 | boghog | it's just no fun if I haven't done it myself |
| 07-09-29 00:31 | feelgood_ICBM | Madsy same here |
| 07-09-29 00:31 | boghog | perhaps im a little too extreme at times because i spent loads of time on stupid shit, like how to use GLX or use Xlib for input handling, I should probably just learn SDL or something instead |
| 07-09-29 00:31 | Madsy | hahaha |
| 07-09-29 00:32 | Madsy | She used six months to run a wizard?! |
| 07-09-29 00:32 | Madsy | This story better be fictional. |
| 07-09-29 00:33 | MatthiasM | lol |
| 07-09-29 00:34 | gfhghgfhfg | If a person who knows OpenGL says "lol", believe me... it is not fictional! |
| 07-09-29 00:35 | MatthiasM | from Albert Einstein Two things are infinite the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe. |
| 07-09-29 00:38 | wolfeySI | does anyone use jogl here? i wonder how to run it from command line |
| 07-09-29 00:38 | wolfeySI | in netbeans it works |
| 07-09-29 00:39 | wolfeySI | oops |
| 07-09-29 00:39 | wolfeySI | i should type #java |
| 07-09-29 00:39 | MatthiasM | wolfeySI use lwjgl |
| 07-09-29 00:39 | wolfeySI | ?? |
| 07-09-29 00:41 | wolfeySI | why? i just learned jogl, cant i use it? |
| 07-09-29 00:41 | wolfeySI | ) |
| 07-09-29 00:41 | MatthiasM | I use lwjgl - and can't help you with jogl |
| 07-09-29 00:42 | wolfeySI | i see |
| 07-09-29 00:42 | wolfeySI | ok |
| 07-09-29 00:48 | gfhghgfhfg | jogl, lwgl... |
| 07-09-29 00:48 | gfhghgfhfg | ACTION gets confused. |
| 07-09-29 00:48 | gfhghgfhfg | I assume they are like GLFW. |
| 07-09-29 00:49 | MatthiasM | lwjgl also offers OpenAL, DevIL and input handling |
| 07-09-29 00:49 | gfhghgfhfg | Also? Other than what? |
| 07-09-29 00:49 | gfhghgfhfg | And I have never heard of OpenAL or DevIL... |
| 07-09-29 00:49 | MatthiasM | OpenGL |
| 07-09-29 00:49 | gfhghgfhfg | Unless you mean Cruella de Vil... |
| 07-09-29 00:50 | MatthiasM | OpenAL is for audio |
| 07-09-29 00:50 | Madsy | Hm. Anyone checked out Visual Studio Express 2008 yet? |
| 07-09-29 00:50 | Madsy | I wonder what the new features are. |
| 07-09-29 00:50 | MatthiasM | more crashes ? buggier parser ? |
| 07-09-29 00:50 | Madsy | hehe |
| 07-09-29 00:50 | gfhghgfhfg | DRM and more bloat? |
| 07-09-29 00:51 | gfhghgfhfg | Ad-supported compiler. |
| 07-09-29 00:51 | gfhghgfhfg | It shows contextual ads while compiling. |
| 07-09-29 00:51 | gfhghgfhfg | "Play poker while you wait!" |
| 07-09-29 00:51 | Madsy | hahaha |
| 07-09-29 00:51 | Madsy | Good one. |
| 07-09-29 00:52 | MatthiasM | lol |
| 07-09-29 00:52 | Madsy | The day I see a penis enlargement ad while I compile my app, is the day I buy a gun. |
| 07-09-29 00:52 | MatthiasM | I thought that was already in since VC 6 - "C1001 - ... call microsoft ..." |
| 07-09-29 00:52 | Madsy | And shoot myself. |
| 07-09-29 00:53 | gfhghgfhfg | S |
| 07-09-29 00:53 | MatthiasM | I prefer emacs + gcc |
| 07-09-29 00:53 | gfhghgfhfg | MinGW. |
| 07-09-29 00:53 | Madsy | error C9600 Internal compiler error. Ads disabled. |
| 07-09-29 00:54 | MatthiasM | mingw is a gcc together with a set of windows header files |
| 07-09-29 00:55 | wolfeySI | okey |
| 07-09-29 00:55 | wolfeySI | http//wolfey.si/test/jogl.jpg |
| 07-09-29 00:55 | wolfeySI | i love this playing |
| 07-09-29 00:56 | MatthiasM | doesn't work |
| 07-09-29 00:56 | wolfeySI | no? |
| 07-09-29 00:56 | gfhghgfhfg | Error. |
| 07-09-29 00:56 | MatthiasM | try http//imageshack.us/ |
| 07-09-29 00:57 | wolfeySI | hmmm |
| 07-09-29 00:57 | gfhghgfhfg | Or simply fix his site. |
| 07-09-29 00:57 | gfhghgfhfg | ImageShack is painfully slow these days. |
| 07-09-29 00:57 | wolfeySI | you talking to me or i am stupid? |
| 07-09-29 00:57 | wolfeySI | ) |
| 07-09-29 00:57 | gfhghgfhfg | ? |
| 07-09-29 00:58 | gfhghgfhfg | Really... I |
| 07-09-29 00:58 | gfhghgfhfg | don't know where to start. |
| 07-09-29 00:58 | gfhghgfhfg | I need more examples. |
| 07-09-29 00:59 | gfhghgfhfg | Hmm... tunnel.exe was a very interesting demo. |
| 07-09-29 01:00 | feelgood_ICBM | mmm saw a nifty presentation on Collada at work today |
| 07-09-29 01:00 | wolfeySI | http//papernapkin.org/pastebin/resources/wicket.Application/imageResource?imageEntryId=5214 |
| 07-09-29 01:04 | gfhghgfhfg | Dammit. |
| 07-09-29 01:04 | gfhghgfhfg | This is so fucking frustrating. |
| 07-09-29 01:04 | gfhghgfhfg | I am lacking some... hard-to-define knowledge. |
| 07-09-29 01:10 | gfhghgfhfg | Um... |
| 07-09-29 01:10 | gfhghgfhfg | What primitive should I use for a 2D rectangle? |
| 07-09-29 01:13 | gfhghgfhfg | The Internet keeps disapointing me. IRL was much better. I want it back. ( |
| 07-09-29 01:13 | boghog | ( |
| 07-09-29 01:13 | LordC | lol |
| 07-09-29 01:13 | Walt_ | gfhghgfhfg, Blasphemy! |
| 07-09-29 01:14 | gfhghgfhfg | All I am trying to do is draw a freakin |
| 07-09-29 01:14 | gfhghgfhfg | ' rectangle at a certain X/Y position! |
| 07-09-29 01:14 | gfhghgfhfg | The complete lack of 2D examples has me guessing. |
| 07-09-29 01:14 | boghog | GL_POLYGON or GL_QUADS would do the trick |
